interviews

NYO Replay: Juliet Palmer & Ian Cusson

Pianist Gregory Oh welcomes Canadian composers for orchestra, Juliet Kiri Palmer and Ian Cusson, to discuss The Unsilent Project.

X NYO Replay: Juliet Palmer & Ian Cusson

Pianist Gregory Oh welcomes Canadian composers for orchestra, Juliet Kiri Palmer and Ian Cusson, to discuss The Unsilent Project. Juliet Palmer composed Invicta for The Unsilent Project and NYO Canada.

The Unsilent Project

In 2017 NYO Canada partnered with Signal Theatre, an interdisciplinary and intercultural Canadian theatre company whose work reflects and privileges Indigenous knowledges. Signal Theatre’s international creation methodologies centre around physical rigour and exploration. The Unsilent Project was a separate and discrete component of the 2017 national tour – in itself the most extensive artistic project in our history. The piece had its own distinct creative team, designed to augment and blend seamlessly with the orchestra’s more traditional classical music performances.

In a nearly year-long series of workshops and rehearsals, Signal Theatre artistic director Michael Greyeyes (Plains Cree) co-directed this live performance. Joining him were: playwright, actor, and emerging director Falen Johnson (Mohawk), Korean-Canadian NYO faculty member Gregory Oh; and Canadian composers for orchestra Juliet Palmer and Ian Cusson. Greyeyes brought Indigenous creation protocols and ways of knowing into intersection with the classical music processes of NYO Canada. With the permission of his family, the piece centred around the poetry of the late Piikani Blackfoot spoken-word artist Zaccheus Jackson, who died in 2014 at the age of 36.

New Musings on New Music: Nov 4, 2021

Toronto composer, artistic director, and community leader Juliet Palmer in conversation with Norm Adams and Barbara Pritchard.

X New Musings on New Music: Nov 4, 2021

Toronto composer, artistic director, and community leader Juliet Palmer in conversation with Norm Adams and Barbara Pritchard.

The Ethics of Songs: Oct 13, 2021

Canadian composer Juliet Palmer talks about Down in the River to Pray and asks what if we treated rivers as though they could sing? Preseneted by the University of Toronto’s Centre for Ethics for the series, The Ethics of Songs.

X The Ethics of Songs: Oct 13, 2021

Canadian composer Juliet Palmer talks about Down in the River to Pray and asks what if we treated rivers as though they could sing? Preseneted by the University of Toronto’s Centre for Ethics for the series, The Ethics of Songs.

 

Drawn to water

I’m drawn to water: flowing, falling, rushing, rolling, rippling, thirst-quenching water. Buoyant water that holds me afloat as I swim, that carries me along in the river’s flow, that hurls me onto the edge of the beach and pulls me back into the surf. Hot water that rises up from the sand at low tide or bubbles up from the pebbles of a mountain river. Water to soak in, to float on, water that restores and revives, washes and soothes.

The river carries stories and songs, plants and animals, soil and sand from high in the hills, through valleys, to lakes and oceans. Rivers call us to sing, to send a song downstream to our neighbours, to sing a history down river to our grandchildren.

Down in the river to pray

For some reason the song that comes into my mind as I stand beside the river is the African-American spiritual “Down in the river to pray.” I’m not sure when I first heard it. Maybe it was in the Coen Brothers film O Brother Where Art Thou?, where the three run-away prisoners stand spellbound as they watch the baptism of one convert after another in the river, the faithful plunging beneath the water then rising up to the surface, serene and soaking, released from sin. The voices of the crowd roll and undulate, carrying us gently down to the river to pray.

Alison Krauss’s version was featured in the film and caught the public’s ear — it’s now hard to find recordings that don’t sound like knock-offs of that rendition. Written down, arranged and recorded, the song seems stuck. Like a river bounded by concrete, it no longer meanders and changes over time. But listen to Lead Belly’s 1966 release or the Delta Big Four’s 1930 recording, and you’ll hear the lively tributaries of the song, before it settled into the steady state of its current flow.

Who’s singing it and where

The song’s words and melody may vary, depending on who’s singing it and where. Down in the River to Pray sings to us of baptism by immersion, but also of the river as a means of escape from slavery. The river’s flow allowed people fleeing bondage to navigate unknown lands, to erase footprints and wash away past identities. Sifting through different recordings of the song, it seems like its Black past has almost been washed away, becoming a song sung mostly by white country singers and choirs. There’s even a cup song version.

Sometimes it’s down in the river, other times it’s down to the river. River shifts to valley and back again. I like the version that’s in the river, immersed in the flow. For me, being in the river, with the river, listening to the river is itself a form of prayer. Let’s go down in the river to pray. The river invites us into a state of flow, of reflection. Going down in the river to pray invites us into a state of gratitude, of awareness, awe and amazement. What you might call a prayerful state of mind. Prayer can simply be the act of listening. But prayer isn’t always silent — it can burst into song. In French nous chantons, which leads us into enchantment and incantation, both suggesting reverence in the presence of something beyond ourselves. Down in the River brings us into the water, and calls our mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters, to enter the flow with us. The flow of water sustains generation after generation. Humans cannot survive without water, so it’s not surprising that rivers are often experienced as manifestations and embodiments of the sacred: from Oshun, the Yoruba river orisha and Maori taniwha, fierce guardians of rivers; to Sinann, the goddess of the Irish river Shannon, and the sacred Indian Yamuna river goddess.

Opening our ears and hearts to other voices

Singing to the river, we summon ancestral spirits. Repeating words and melodies, joining our voices in harmony, we weave a braided river of song, shifting our perceptions and opening our ears and hearts to other voices.

Is it only humans who sing? We are comfortable with the idea of birds singing and whales too. Belugas, dolphins, orcas all do it. But what if the river could sing? What would we hear if we listened? The bubble and gurgle of a vibrant river cascading over rocks? Songs of belugas, calls of frogs, clicks of fish, ringing trills of dragonfly wings, hums of bees, and choruses of birds? Or would we hear mechanical thrums, sudden explosions, the rhythmic knocking of engines? The silence of a river encased in a concrete channel?

The idea of the river as living being has recently been acknowledged in law. In 2017 Aotearoa New Zealand passed The Te Awa Tupua Act, the first piece of legislation in the world to declare a river a legal person, creating a framework for shared stewardship of the Whanganui River. In 2021, the Innu Council of Ekuanitshit and the Minganie Regional County Municipality declared the Muteshekau Shipu (Magpie River) a legal person. Other Indigenous communities are using the law to uphold the sacredness of rivers — the Atrato River in Columbia, as well as the Klamath River in Oregon under the governance of the Yurok Tribal Council. Dams are being removed from the Klamath, letting the river flow freely once again. This is part of a global movement, enshrining the rights of nature in law — acknowledging rivers, mountains and forests as living beings.

The land is a body and the rivers are its lifeblood

Kanienkehaka lawyer and scholar Dr. Beverly Jacobs makes the point: “If you see the faces of the children in your land, it’s alive.” Indigenous teachings are grounded in this understanding of the land as alive — we are surrounded by more-than-human beings. The land is a body and the rivers are its life blood: wherever you are, if you live close to the water, your future is bound up with the river’s. Just before a dam was opened on the Danube River, a Hungarian fisherman expressed his grief, saying “our throat will be cut.” Dams strangle the life of the river — forests may suffer from drought, wetlands dry out, fisheries collapse, and the natural filtering of the water through vegetation and wetlands is disrupted, increasing sediment load and pollution. The Iron Gates, the Serbian-Romanian dam on the Danube extirpated the sturgeon from the river. Listen to sound artist Annea Lockwood’s A Sound Map of the Danube, documenting the Danube River from its source to its mouth: Lockwood’s work makes space for intimate listening and connection with the insects, fish, people and other creatures whose lives are intertwined with the river.

A river has a mouth

A river has a mouth, and geographers talk about the river’s throat. What is the river’s song? Listening, we pay attention to the cry of the water and of the land. Letting a river run wild, opening its throat, can be the first step to restoring the watershed, reducing flooding and bringing it back to health.

The apocalyptic flood that ends the film O Brother where art thou? was based on The Tennessee Valley Authority’s dam-building of the 1940s — a massive reshaping of the land which destroyed the homes of 15,000 families and transformed the lives of its inhabitants.

Why do I keep returning to this song? Let’s go down in the river to pray. It reminds me of the sacredness and aliveness of the river — a call to open our ears to new songs.

References

O Brother Where Art Thou. 2000. [DVD] United States: Joel and Ethan Cohen.

Big Delta Four, Moaner, Let’s Go Down In The Valley, Charley Patton Complete Recordings. Www.youtube.com. Retrieved July 6, 2021, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6d8M…

Lead Belly, Down In The Valley To Pray, Let It Shine on Me — The Library of Congress Recordings, V. 3, 1991 Rounder Records. Www.youtube.com. Retrieved July 6, 2021, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PI0L…

Doc Watson, Down In The Valley To Pray. Www.youtube.com. Retrieved July 6, 2021, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMtrI…

A Sound Map of the Danube | Annea Lockwood. (n.d.). Www.annealockwood.com. http://www.annealockwood.com/composit…

Bunten, A., Iorns, C., Townsend, J., & Borrows, L. (n.d.). Rights for nature: How granting a river “personhood” could help protect it. The Conversation. Retrieved July 6, 2021, from https://theconversation.com/rights-fo…

The Klamath River now has the legal rights of a person | Intercontinental Cry. (n.d.). Retrieved July 6, 2021, from https://intercontinentalcry.org/the-k…

Te Awa Tupua (Whanganui River Claims Settlement) Act • Environment Guide. (2017). Environmentguide.org.nz. http://www.environmentguide.org.nz/re…

Reynolds, David A.J. “Let the River Flow: Fighting a Dam in Communist Hungary.” Hungarian Cultural Studies. e- Journal of the American Hungarian Educators Association, Volume 13 (2020) DOI: 10.5195/ahea.2020.391

D. Hikuroa (2017) Mātauranga Māori—the ūkaipō of knowledge in New Zealand, Journal of the Royal Society of New Zealand, 47:1, 5-10, DOI: 10.1080/03036758.2016.1252407

Land Governance: Canada’s colonial history. (n.d.). David Suzuki Foundation. Retrieved July 6, 2021, from https://davidsuzuki.org/story/land-go…

Williams, C. M., Alden. (n.d.). The Rewilding Project: The movement to revive our “zombie” rivers. Interactives.stuff.co.nz. Retrieved July 6, 2021, from https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2021…

Garrison Creek Demonstration Project | Brown + Storey Architects. (n.d.). Retrieved July 6, 2021, from http://www.brownandstorey.com/project…

Black Creek Conservation Project of Toronto. (n.d.). Blackcreekproject.ca. Retrieved July 6, 2021, from https://blackcreekproject.ca/

In Conversation with Gemma New: June, 2021

Composer Juliet Palmer talks about her new orchestral work fire break, dedicated to forests past and future.

X In Conversation with Gemma New: June, 2021

Composer Juliet Palmer talks about her new orchestral work fire break, dedicated to forests past and future. Commissioned and premiered by the Hamilton Philharmonic with conductor Gemma New.

Transcript:

“At the end of 2019 there were raging forest fires in many parts of the world. At that point there were huge fires in Australia, in the Amazon… We had fires on the west coast of North America. And it happened that I had also been on an artistic residency with a wonderful visual artist Carla Bengtson.  She’s American and this was in Oregon — the summer of 2019. And we were at research place called Andrews Forest, which is running a 200 year long residency for artists and scientists. We were really lucky to be there to work on another project called Every Word was Once an Animal. I was  really struck interacting with these trees: they’re huge ancient douglas firs. And just the the richness of the forest.

But also we went to some sites where there had been in the last few years very serious forest fires. You see these lodge pole pines that are silhouetted against the sky. They’re charred and blackened and the ground around them is bereft of life. I was doing a lot of field recording when I was there, working with a choreographer Darion Smith on the score for that other project. But I was listening again to those recordings and there’s some beautiful sounds that I thought I really want to dig deeper into them. Some of them were stumps of old cedar trees in a reservoir. The level of the water would rise up and that forest had died and so when the water recedes you’re left with these silvery cedar stumps. I started bowing them with a stick and picking up the sounds with a contact microphone. It sounds like crazy saxophones. Or you can you can imagine what kinds of instruments they are. But that harmonic material informs this piece fire break. As well as rhythmic  improvisations that we did on other huge trees, massive trees that are lying down in the forest. You know they’re dead, but they’re actually full of life for the next generation of plants, animals, trees that are going to rise up from the forest. So it’s a piece that’s a tribute to two forests.”
Fresh Sounds Open Ears: Episodes 5 & 6 May, 2021

Canadian composer Juliet Palmer in conversation with Alex Eddington.

X Fresh Sounds Open Ears: Episodes 5 & 6 May, 2021

Canadian composer Juliet Palmer in conversation with Alex Eddington. Check out other episodes in the podcast here!

Episode 5 (May 5, 2021): Part 1

Today, Juliet Palmer and I talk about her most collaborative composition projects with community arts organizations, children’s choirs, youth orchestras, high school students and professional musicians alike.

Somehow we got onto swapping stories about musical page turning in high-pressure situations and that was the best place to leave off. Are there really page turning competitions somewhere in the world? Let us know on Facebook or Twitter because I am *certain* that they must exist, but can’t find them.

Fresh Sounds / Open Ears is an interview podcast about composition and music education, hosted by composer Alex Eddington. Every episode, I have a conversation with a different Canadian composer – with a focus on their writing for/with young and amateur musicians.

Video/Audio of Juliet’s music and projects mentioned in the podcast:

Gregory Oh’s video interview with Juliet Palmer and Ian Cusson about the Unsilent Project (with National Youth Orchestra of Canada, Michael Greyeyes and Falen Johnson
Burl (solo piano)
Round the Table (Jumblies Theatre)
Like an Old Tale (Jumblies Theatre)
Quarry (Continuum, Jumblies Theatre, soprano Sarah Albu)

Namedropping pick-up zone! (organizations and people mentioned):

Jumblies Theatre – Artistic Director Ruth Howard, Gather Round Singers, Choir Director Shifra Cooper
Community Arts Guild – Artistic Director Beth Helmers
VIVA Singers – Artistic Director Carol Woodward Ratzlaff
David Fallis (conductor)
St. Lawrence String Quartet

Episode 6 (May 19, 2021): Part 2

In the latter part of our conversation, Juliet Palmer and I zeroed in on a specific recent project with Toronto’s highly collaborative Element Choir, their leader Christine Duncan, and Continuum Contemporary Music. We also discuss Urbanvessel (Juliet is the founder and Artistic Director), thethe surprising music that she is making at home for fun, and the birds of New Zealand who star in their own daily radio spot.

Video/Audio of Juliet Palmer’s music and projects mentioned in this episode

Choreography of Trauma (The Element Choir, Continuum Contemporary Music) *excerpt in podcast
Ukiyo: Floating World at the 2019 Ongaku Festival (Urbanvessel, Thin Edge New Music Collective) *excerpt in podcast
The Homing Project (Urbanvessel)

Namedropping pick-up zone! (organizations and people mentioned):

James Rolfe (composer)
Urbanvessel
Continuum Contemporary Music
The Element Choir leader Christine Duncan
Musicworks Magazine interview with Christine Duncan about The Element Choir

And finally:

An archive of The Birds on Radio New Zealand, whose songs have been broadcast every day before the Morning Report – for the last 40 years.

CREDITS:

Fresh Sounds / Open Ears is hosted, edited and produced by Alex Eddington: www.AlexEddington.com
Fresh Sounds is presented by the Alliance for Canadian New Music Projects (ACNMP): acnmp.ca

Orchestra Wellington: July 18, 2020

Conductor Marc Taddei in conversation with former composer-in-residence Juliet Palmer.

X Orchestra Wellington: July 18, 2020

Conductor Marc Taddei in conversation with former composer-in-residence Juliet Palmer.

 

The Music Gallery at Home: April 20, 2020

In conversation with Laura Stanley in a series celebrating the Music Gallery’s universe of artists, thinkers and creatives.

X The Music Gallery at Home: April 20, 2020

In conversation with Laura Stanley in a series celebrating the Music Gallery’s universe of artists, thinkers and creatives.

 

SOUNZ: Composer Portrait, Oct 20, 2019

Juliet Palmer in conversation with conductor Peter Scholes before a Portrait Concert by the Auckland Chamber Orchestra.

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Juliet Palmer in conversation with conductor Peter Scholes before a Portrait Concert by the Auckland Chamber Orchestra.

Detroit Symphony Orchestra: June 7, 2019

In conversation with conductor/composer Yaniv Segal before the Detroit Symphony Orchestra‘s premiere of Juliet Palmer’s work “Oil & Water“.

X Detroit Symphony Orchestra: June 7, 2019

In conversation with conductor/composer Yaniv Segal before the Detroit Symphony Orchestra‘s premiere of Juliet Palmer’s work “Oil & Water“.

Transcript (excerpt):

JULIET:
…Here I am in Toronto and I thought …what’s connecting me to Detroit? And the obvious thing is the Great Lakes and so I thought I’m just gonna go with obvious. I’m gonna go with water. At that time I’d also become aware of this very inspiring Ojibway elder who has since passed away called Josephine Mandamin who walked around every single Great Lake as an act of Prayer, honoring water as a sacred life force. I found that tremendously inspiring. I thought, what is our journey in North America with water? So my piece is a snapshot of moments of communities gathering together to raise their voices to protect water. That spans from the Pacific Ocean, where you have protesters against oil pipelines that threaten orca habitat in Vancouver, to communities at Standing Rock, again protesting pipelines that threaten Sacred Lands and watersheds, and then here in Detroit we hear voices from the protests against the water shutoffs.
 
And as a counterbalance to that (you won’t hear the original audio samples), but I’ve also been inspired by the sounds of, it sounds a bit mechanical, but and it is the Toronto’s high level pumping station. Because that’s the kind of infrastructure that actually brings us the water that sustains life. So that’s a really fascinating sound to me. As is the sound of a wetland and the frogs. That’s the last section of the piece – it’s a very quiet meditative section. You’re just listening to frogs, birds, airplanes that fly by. And in this place where water goes to recover and to heal itself from all the mess that it’s been subjected to up to that point.
YANIV:
Do you mind if we listen to one of these? Let’s see Steve, can we have that? Let’s do the third one because that’s actually relevant to, very relevant to, Detroit, I think…So I’m hearing them say “stop the water shut off “and “water is a human right” and how does that turn into music?
JULIET:
Yes, so you can already hear that it’s like a choir, you know. A group of protesters when they’re chanting together they are a choir, they’re a spoken word choir. And so you can hear the rhythm of the words and you hear that rhythm in the music: Dada Dada Dada da Dada Dada Dada. That translates into this brass section motif that goes through a certain portion of the piece and similarly with other recordings from Standing Rock and from the Kinder Morgan protest …
 
…I was really honored that last night in the audience were three of the women from We the People of Detroit including Monica Lewis Patrick who gave permission to use this recording from Detroit. And she said, oh you know we could have been in the audience actually protesting. I was like, yes! That would be really cool, but that’s the next version — we’ll have pop-up choruses!
SOUNDLAB: March 16, 2018

Episode 43: In this episode, we begin with discussion of Juliet PALMER’s new piece MORSE, written for mezzo-soprano and electric guitar quartet with text by Iranian poet Simin Behbahani.

X SOUNDLAB: March 16, 2018

Episode 43: In this episode, we begin with discussion of Juliet PALMER’s new piece MORSE, written for mezzo-soprano and electric guitar quartet with text by Iranian poet Simin Behbahani.

Juliet PALMER

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Western Front’s Echoic Chamber | A Dialogue between Salomé Voegelin & Juliet Palmer (February 9, 2018).

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Western Front’s Echoic Chamber | A Dialogue between Salomé Voegelin & Juliet Palmer (February 9, 2018).

Radio NZ September 2013

Orchestra Wellington composer-in-residence and soprano soloist preview Sunday’s concert: ‘La Donna Ideale’.

X Radio NZ September 2013

Orchestra Wellington composer-in-residence and soprano soloist preview Sunday’s concert: ‘La Donna Ideale’.

From Upbeat on 05 Sep 2013

Radio NZ June 2012

Current Jack C Richards-Creative New Zealand composer in Residence at the New Zealand School of Music.

X Radio NZ June 2012

Current Jack C Richards-Creative New Zealand composer in Residence at the New Zealand School of Music.
From Upbeat on 22 Jun 2012

 

Radio NZ April 2012

New Zealand-born composer Juliet Palmer has written operas about boxing and nuclear fission, and is currently the NZ School of Music’s Composer in Residence.

X Radio NZ April 2012

New Zealand-born composer Juliet Palmer has written operas about boxing and nuclear fission, and is currently the NZ School of Music’s Composer in Residence.

From Nine To Noon on 24 Apr 2012

Radio NZ August 2011

NZ composer, back from Canada to be this year’s New Zealand School of Music Composer in Residence.

X Radio NZ August 2011

NZ composer, back from Canada to be this year’s New Zealand School of Music Composer in Residence.

From Upbeat on 05 Aug 2011

Radio NZ May 2011

NZ Composer returning from Toronto next month to take up position as NZSM Composer in Residence.

X Radio NZ May 2011

NZ Composer returning from Toronto next month to take up position as NZSM Composer in Residence.

From Upbeat on 27 May 2011

Radio NZ January 2008

Toronto-based New Zealand composer gives us a Postcard Home from Canada.

X Radio NZ January 2008

Toronto-based New Zealand composer gives us a Postcard Home from Canada.

From Upbeat on 25 Jan 2008